The Pinarello Dogma F Insider's Guide: No Longer Playing By the Numbers
Pinarello didn’t really need to change the Dogma lineup at all. After all, the Dogma F12 is one of our favorite bikes in the world, as it was in many ways our benchmark in handling, ride quality and all-day performance. But of course, Pinarello had to one-up themselves, and thus the new Pinarello Dogma F was born. In some ways, it no longer plays by the numbers; in others, it is classically a Pinarello.
What’s In a Name?
Dogma has seen a number of iterations over the years. It was originally a magnesium bike used largely as Pinarello transitioned from steel and aluminum to carbon race bikes in the early 2000s. A number of iterations of Dogma, from the 60.1 to the F-series of bikes, has allowed Pinarello as a sponsor to have 15 Tour de France wins and 7 of the last 10 wins on the Dogma alone.
Pinarello says that the Dogma name represents dream bikes. Importantly, the Dogma has never been described as an aero bike or a climbing bike. Rather, the Dogma has always been the right road bike for climbing, descending, and everything in between. This means the Dogma delivers it's speed immediately, regardless of where you’re riding. As they said in their presentation, “need a bike to ride roads? Just take a Dogma.”
The Bits You Want to Know
Pinarello has always been derided for the relative high weights of their frames, and the Dogma is no exception. Part of this reasoning, Pinarello says, is that low weight doesn’t make a bike good. Shedding grams doesn’t mean the geometry is dialed, nor does it mean there is harmony between every part of the bike. Regardless of whether you believe that or not, the Dogma has always felt like it rode lighter than it was. We expect Dogma F to be no exception here.
Now that they’ve prefaced that, they were proud to announce that the Dogma F frameset kit - namely, frame/fork/headset/handlebar/seatpost - is lighter. Here are the exact claims:
- Frame weight is down 9 percent.
- Fork weight is down 58 grams or about 16 percent lighter.
- Seatpost and hardware are 52 grams lighter.
- A new headset is 25 grams lighter.
- New thru axles save 20 grams each.
- MOst Talon Ultrafast handlebar saves 40 grams and is 13 percent lighter.
Overall, this makes the new Dogma F 265 grams lighter than an equivalent Dogma F12 frame kit. Usually, there are marginal gains to be had - and Pinarello called them as much - but 265 grams lighter is a fairly substantial difference.
Official weight for the new Dogma F Disc is 6.8 kilograms (14.99 lbs) for Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 R9100 and DT Swiss ARC1400 carbon wheels in a size 53cm.
Pinarello claims that they focus on the holistic package of the bike: it's handling, aerodynamics, ride quality over a myriad of road surfaces, and durability over all-out weight. But we’re happy to see that the Dogma F maintains the same stiffness and durability as before.
Disc and rim brake models (no, rim brakes aren’t dead!) weigh about the same. But the key differences come in aerodynamics. Pinarello made a big deal of a narrower seattube and seatpost here, updated downtube to improve aerodynamics around water bottles, and improved aerodynamics around the seatstays. Pinarello has used Flatback tube profiles - a Kamm tail tube shaping - for several Dogma models, but the Dogma F sees the tube profile used on the downtube, top tube, and fork blades more than ever. An updated seatstay contributes substantially to a reduced frontal area number as well as a narrower seatpost as allowed by 2021 UCI rules. Here's the nitty gritty:
- Dogma F rim brake is 3.2 percent more aero than an F12 rim brake.
- Dogma F Disc is 4.8 percent more aero than F12 Disk.
- Dogma F Disc is now more aerodynamic than the rim brake model.
- A claimed 1.3 saved at 40 km/h.
- A claimed 2.6 watts saved at 50 km/h.
Pinarello is in on the joke, as they themselves call these changes marginal gains. But the Dogma F12 was already one of the most aero road bikes in the pro peloton, so little changes.
The Bits You Need to Know - Geometry and Frame Details
There are 11 frame sizes available, 16 handlebar options, and two seatpost setback options for a total of 352 options for sizing. It's about as close to custom as it gets. Geometry overall remains about the same as the previous Dogma. Small sizes see a slight reduction in options - there was a lot of overlap on prior Dogma models - but besides that geometry stays largely the same. Not that we’re complaining.
Overall, the Dogma maintains the formula we know and love. While Pinarello has stuck to offering a max 28c tire clearance, we’ve had regular success fitting slightly wider tires. It is still compatible with the previous-generation Most Talon Ultra Handlebar, any Pinarello TiCR stem, or with an option to run the stem of your choice if you so prefer. An Italian threaded bottom bracket, two-position mounts for the second bottle cage. When Can I Get One?
Now, you’re probably asking, “looks sweet, can I order a Pinarello Dogma F frameset today?” Slow your roll, everyone; the Dogma F and Dogma F Disc is not yet available. Frames are in pre-order now, so if you want one let us know. We will happily help with a custom build option as well to make sure you build your dream Dogma right from the start.
The Pinarello Dogma road bike has been for many of us the pinnacle of road bikes, and with its lower weight and improved aerodynamics without sacrificing ride quality, we think the Dogma will continue to be a dream bike for many years to come.
Have any questions about the Pinarello Dogma F road bike? Give us a call or send us an email at email@example.com.
where is printed the size of pinarello dogma f.
Hi, do you think would be possible to fit 32c tires like GP5000 on 19.5 internal rims to a dogma F?
as far as fit is concerned, the big difference between the two sizes is in stack height. Moving to the 56cm you should expect to use 20mm fewer steerer spacers and a 5mm shorter stem/bar combo to match your fit between the 54 and 56cm.
Handling will be different! the wheelbase on the 56cm frame is longer, and importantly, your weight distribution will be different too. Expect to feel a bit more “in the bike” and its turn-in itself to require a touch more body english to happen. Most will get used to any differences in handling pretty quickly, but not everyone does!
My recommendation is that if your 54cm bike fits and handles how you want, then I would stick to that one., or maybe the 55. Let us know if you have any questions, or if you decide you want to order a frameset or custom build; we can get you going!
Alvin - Contender Bicycles on
Hi I currently ride a pinarello f10 54 and am thinking of upgrading to an f 56 is this to much of a jump
Many thanks Richard
Richard Foster on
In regards to when a new Dogma is coming…. hard to say. As of now, we aren’t hearing anything. Pinarello typically holds things close to the chest in my experience so we probably won’t hear anything until one is right around the corner.
Alvin - Contender Bicycles on